there's a country that's been running the obama playbook for 20 years. it's tough to fire people. that country is called japan. how has their economy done the past 20 years, terrible. that's the obamanomics there. >> what do you think of jim p.'s challenge? >> i think that the issue that you're missing there was really at the heart of his presentation and, again, there's very strong evidence for this, is it's not so much that inequality hurts growth, although there were references of that in terms of financial bubbles. by the way, there's good research that connects the lack of oversight and the financial problems that we had. what he was talking about was a connection between high income inequality, stagnant incomes for the middle class and diminished opportunity, diminished opportunity. that's what you have left out. that's essential because, look, the three of us will all agree that we in america don't push for equal outcomes but we do believe there ought to be some equality of opportunity. when inequality gets too high, opportunity gets squashed. >> that's wrong. i know that's